Wednesday, November 15, 2006

6) Muslim Prayer Time Schedule can not be calculated for the location unknown for pre-islamic Middle-East and Asia.

The muslim prayer time (salat, salaat, solat, solah, adhan, athan, azan, ezan, ezen, azaan, namaz, namaaz etc.) is calculated by the special algorithms linked to the time of sunset, sunrise and a the time when sun is at the highest point and the length of the objects shadow e.g.
The Fajr prayer is mentioned by name in the Qur'an at 24:58.
The Asr daily prayer is mentioned by name in the Qur'an at 2:238.
The Dhuhr prayer is mentioned by name in the Qur'an at 17:78.

[Quran 17:78] You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed.
This algorithms are doing quite well in many parts of the Earth. Even more, different Islamic centers help muslims to get the accurate prayer time in different locations with the google maps (e.g. www.pray-in-time.org)
But. The modern people know that there are places on the Earth where sun never goes on its peak or even a polar night or polar day can occur. For Asr, they have the only way to determine a time:
If the length of an object is 'x' inches. Its shadow's length at noon will be 'y' inches. When the length of the shadow becomes x+y inches, the time for Asr will have set in according to the majority. According to the minority, the shadow must reach 2x+y inches in order for Asr to begin.
This means that muslims living there will be unable to pray for half an year or calculate it using algorithms presented by Islam!
Try also to imagine muslim spaceman, going round the Earth many times per day and having sunrise every 80 seconds. The question can he observe the obligatory prayer times? No!
But let’s go a little deeper in future and try to imagine how Muslims landed on the other planets will make a salat, they would not have a sun at all. So, no salat on other planets?

First conclusion: The prayer times (times of salat) can not be calculated and observed at least at three unusual locations, e.g. polar and subpolar zones of the globe, space (e.g. Earth orbital space stations) and on other planets. Some muslims start discussions about it, e.g. you can find some at the Islamic portal mentioned above http://www.pray-in-time.org But they are discussing how to calculate this time (e.g. http://ulugbeck.blogspot.com/2006/10/islamic-daily-prayers-in-abnormal-time.html). We think we should discuss another issue. These locations can hardly be named as unusual for modern person, it was unusual, even unpredictable for person of pre-Islamic Middle East. Though author (authors) of Quran was (were) a realy talented, the level of their knowledge about Earth, space and future development of the mankind was limited by the objective level of knowledges available in the society they lived in. The era of Geographical discoveries was far later and the space exporation begun just in 20th century. If it was God (Allah) whoes words are in Quran, He should have known the real situation with sun in all these “unusual” zones. For Him, a sun and a space are definetly the most usual things and usual zones. If it was Him, he would gave more universal way to calculate obligatory prayer times. It proves that words in Quran have no divine origin, it was made by man. This man belonged to his era with all level of knowledge those era had and this man had all the mistakes and misunderstandings his contemporaries had. If these parts of Quran are doubtful, no one can be sure about others in Quran and Islam.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Qur'an also tells us to slaughter our livestock with a sharp knife. However it doesn't tell us where to buy that knife, who to buy it from, or what kind of knife it should be.

In Islam, we follow the Qur'an. The Qur'an instructs us to follow the sunnah of the Holy Prophet and to use our "aql" - our brains.

If there is no sunlight for 6 months, then we are to use the prayer times of the nearest city. Muslims, Jews, Christians and pagans of ancient times could easity tell you the time by the allignment of stars. You don't need a sun-dial or even the sun to tell time.

Anonymous said...

To be more polite and less veiled, the astronaut would have to follow the same concept -- to choose the timing of one city and stick to it. This would be tried and tested by the first Malaysian astronaut who would undoubtedly be sticking to GMT +8.

Then comes the issue (which I think our misinformed blogger would cite) -- how to tell the position of celestial objects from just time. Simple. an 15-18degree declination (some jurists cite 12-13, but that is an issue of difference in observation) of the sun after sunset would indicate the time for isha'a. I'm sure there would not be a problem calculating the time from the declination of the sun upon a given plane.

I am sure our dear brother would like to go into some fruitful discussion regarding his perception of the Quran and Islam. It even mentions "There is no compulsion in religion..." hence, no one is forcing the Quran or the religion down his throat. You accept, or you don't. So there's no need to prove the Quran wrong, or the bible right et cetera. There is only an issue of where we can derive useful and meaningful experiences for life and in life -- even if only to make life a little easier.

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Its pretty obvious that it was written and editted by man. I'm assuming God didn't write it onto paper and put it through a printing press for us. Write an essay for a class and then every year re-submit it, your mark will decline unless you add newly aqquired knowledge. The same comparison can be seen between the increase of knowledge obtained in one's lifetime to the increases of knowledge on a global scale over generations. The fact that many believer's say it hasn't been editted to me makes it seem more fake.

Anonymous said...

We hould not stick to any book (holy book)scriptures, because to understand existance one need to know the reality , and knowing is something different from reading any holy book ...reading holy book and having discussions about God is just like as if a blind man doing phd on light, he might answer all the question about light, he can very well participate in any discussion related to light...but fact of the matter is he does not know light.
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Anonymous said...

http://www.namazvakti.com/en.1.pdf This is the whole explanation about How to calculate the muslim praying time according the Quran and Hadith. I hope you have enough knowledge to swallow and understand the Whole system.http://scienceislam.com/ everything you said and wrote are baseless and nonsense. Please provide us with more scientific proof before you make your self look stupid and Idiot.

Anonymous said...

You have wasted a lot of time proving something, here is a simple question, when you travel you change time zones what we do in that case?, the answer is simple for believers in a lay mans term we sit and decide what to do if we encounter something not specified in the Quran or Hadih, the thing is you are trying to find problems you actually don't believe Quran is true, I am sure if a Prophet comes down to earth you are not even going to believe him, yes if you see GOD you are not gonna have choice and you are going to say yes to him. What you have inside you reflects your acts, you keep going you can easily find more problems. We have freedom in this world to do anything, but for sure there are consequences either in this world or after death, God is not for going to come down to earth to show us the right way we have to find him, Satan was created by GOD and he saw GOD but he disagreed to GOD, I wish you good luck finding more problems my friend

Anonymous said...

Everyone here says think for yourself. The Quran retells the history of God's interaction with mankind, Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc. Why? Because man failed right? Because men left to think on their own could not handle such a task.

So now after saying how stupid men are you are saying God wants them again to use their brain? God just gave them the Quran because they couldn't use their brain.

I believe a God who sent Muhammed as an international messenger would have also sent him with an international message. The fact that he gave the exact times in which you are to pray shows that it was important. He didn't tell you where to buy a sharp knife for slaughtering livestock because that's not important. The times you pray are. Therefor wouldn't the God of all nations have given a message that can be used in every nation? If that indeed was his goal, an international message.

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Assalamu Alaikum,

I think the blogger should see this link.

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God tells us that he wants everything simple for us... If we cannot do a certain command because of certain circumstances, God has told us that he is the everknowing, and intention is everything... Thats what i mean when i say you can't take tidbits of the Quran, because a command cannot be half-heard. thats how people are mislead about the religion.

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